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Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 00:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 00:39:48 There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change. Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it? Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses. This is another part of the game and content that other people are creating, so make the most of it and enjoy it.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 00:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Lruce Bee Originally by: Dodgy Past There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change. Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it? Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses. This is massive world changes with 7 days notice.. created not by the players, eve is getting too random for long term projects imo. The new challenges you face aren't being created by the devs, they're created by players who want to kill you. Figure out how to stop them.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 01:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 01:38:53 Originally by: Miso Hawnee I've been lobbying congress to stop unemployment checks but nothing has happened yet, how else am I supposed to fight PL? I started out ratting in Stain in a Harbinger having flown out their in an Inty, our corp ran a ship replacement program which was funded through corp members donating their hawler spawns and drone anomalies ( which meant our logistics guys didn't have to break their backs since they were mainly importing T2 mods ). We did pretty well there and controlled a nice pocket because we did our best to make sure anyone who tried to bother us ended up with an embarrassing lossmail. I lost loads of ships, killled even more and also got to spend enough time ratting to grow my wallet at a comfortable rate and even venture on road trips to HED. Oddly enough this was in an alliance that is blue to the NC who're conspicuously absent in whining about this; Br1ck Squad. \o/ Basically, get out and fight for your space whenever you should, not just when forced by a CTA to go endure a lag fest. It's a lot more fun.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 10:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Miso Hawnee I really didn't expect you to answer my trolling with an honest answer... :p And yet when I was polite enough to give a reasonable answer all you could do was sperge anti-PL hate despite the fact that my answer had nothing to do with them. Living 4 carrier jumps into deep null with only a couple of corp carriers and no JFs with a hostile Titan equipped enemy next door was easy and profitable, yet moving 1 jump between JF's while having multiple low sec entrances is too much All I see is that CCP are just raising the bar for living in null above only requiring a pulse, sadly it seems the majority of null residents are short bus specials unable to make the cut.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 17:45:00 - [5] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 17:47:40 Originally by: Bagehi Big fleets aren't instant. They take several days notice and several hours to form. They also don't get from point A to B all that fast. If they are going across the map, that is usually a multi-day affair simply because everyone isn't online at the same time, so multiple smaller fleets have to form and move individually. It only looks instant to people who are horrible at Eve and don't have spies. The "omg, this fleet just showed up out of no where!!!11" crowd will still complain about "instant fleets" without JBs. Really. Maybe you should focus on being less awful at the game. The issue is that NC is terrible, because the alliances in it are terrible, because the corps in them are terrible because they allow an terrible trash members in. Sadly there is this culture that numbers are everything and everyone of those people is a delicate flower that has to be praised like a spoilt child just for turning up to a CTA. Why should CCP ruin the game for everyone else just to cater to pacifistic self entitled trash.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 17:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Cellistara Because you need 500 subcaps to deal with your 400 man super/titan blobs. Cant really complain when its you guys who are shaping numbers and fleet comp. Where did those trillions from moon goo go? Why were all the SCs / Titans sold rather than used in house. Where did all that isk go
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 19:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 19:03:46 Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 19:03:17 Originally by: Bagehi Your days in PL have made you soft. Perhaps you forgot what it was like for an alliance to not be comprised of people who all own at least one cap or super. Nope, I still remember camping NPC stations, collecting hauler spawns for the corp ship replacement program, building my own battlecruisers from reprocessed rat loot, rigging them from salvage, probing wormhole chains to empire, ratting in fleets when cloaky neuts were there and camping any reds that dared to come into our pocket. But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.11 19:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 19:32:58 Originally by: Sino Sarn Seriously though, some of us are unable to be 23/7 neckbearded eleet pvpeers. So we, you know, work together and organize to counteract everyone else who is better than us. Keep telling yourself this if it makes you feel better, despite the fact it's completely untrue. I see this every day from the lazy spoilt brats who never do their homework but think they deserve good grades.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.12 00:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Miso Hawnee Originally by: souhyeahright Originally by: Yeep Originally by: Dodgy Past But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired. I live in a house, if someone shows up with demolition equipment to knock it down I'll defend it. If a bunch of children with sticks start beating on my walls and demanding my house falls over I'm going to ignore them. And what would you do if those children turned up with a bunch of half-bricks and started throwing them at your windows, or brought knives and slashed your car's tires? As any number of awful human beings will happily demonstrate, you don't have to knock a house down to mess with the people who live in it. Remington 870 + Rock salt. So you'd come and fight, that's the reaction that was hoped for. Though it's more situation that you're safe in your home, but you need to pay some security guards to protect you when you want to go to work. Stretching the analogy further in the real world you pay taxes to have some police, so maybe you need to hire some thugs to protect you. Sadly what's obvious is people are too tight to pay for protection or take the effort to learn to protect themselves, but would rather run to the forums and whine.
Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Dodgy Past on 12/05/2011 08:12:45 Originally by: Sidus Sarmiang Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang on 12/05/2011 02:25:21 Originally by: Alexander Knott Originally by: Sidus Sarmiang What they need to do is make NPC station services disableable, and add a service that allows ships to be fitted/boarded/docked. When disabled, make them unrepairable, just have it so they come online after a few days. If they want to use NPC stations to launch an offensive against player controlled space, they should be subject to the same requirements of defending your staging system as anyone else, otherwise it's just imbalanced. This keeps coming up and I have no idea why. Do you really think this would help? It's not like people routinely disable station services on conquerable stations as it is. I can see this being disincentive to small pirate corps living in NPC 0.0, but it'd be pretty futile against an organization like PL. You'd either have to form a big **off fleet to disable services or come with less and fight us (which you can do now just by forming a fleet and coming to FDZ). I'm not really against the idea (though I would be if I were part of a smaller organization), it just seems like you'd spend two hours sitting at a POS while your fleet forms, all the while listening to DBRB and his dog telling you a 'funny story', fly/bridge to some NPC system where you'll conga around a structure which you can't even AFK shoot (because it shoots back) and then fly home. After which any of the merc/pirate alliances is just going to undock 50-100 triage carriers (which they need to move their ** around) and single cycle the services back up. That's why I said make it so once station services are brought down, give it a default timer before which it can even be brought back up. Make it a day or two. So you not only want to be able to disable NPC stations for everyone but you also want it to be far more vulnerable than sov station by being able to take it out for days in a single hit while people are asleep with nothing they can do to fix it in their TZ, plus no options for cyno jammers to prevent sov entities bringing in SCs against people that can't build them. If Mittani thinks he'll ever get any traction with an idea that is so obviously designed to allow sov players to completely ruin the game for the 1000s of players that have no interest in sov just so they don't have to defend their space from a few marauding gangs he's living in an ego fuelled fantasy.

Dodgy Past Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Resender Another point why this idea is bad, it will create more lag. Cause now the fleet action will not be limited to a single system but to dozens, with massive gatecamps. They can't keep lag down in an un-announced big fleet action, they want us to request node reinforcement, already giving intell away, what now the routes to the fight will have to be reinforced as well. Unless CCP wants to reinforce 0.0 completely all the time this idea is going to be overused by the pOople who exploit lag already. Requesting node reinforcement is giving intel away Also spreading fights across multiple systems is exactly what people have been suggesting as the necessary counter to lag since it allows CCP to use multiple nodes to manage the fight rather than a single one because it's in a single system.

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